Comments on: National Language http://smartpandian.com/national-language/ as simple as that... Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:22:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: smarthttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-4/#comment-55 smart Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:20:27 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-55 Thanks Sujay.. But That, doesnt make any difference. See, In the same way, how we choose English, instead of French or Japanese... people will choose to learn Hindi, than any other indian language.. Even if it is a language, it should not be studied for compulsory reason. We have got the freedom. right? Thanks Sujay..
But That, doesnt make any difference.

See, In the same way, how we choose English, instead of French or Japanese…
people will choose to learn Hindi, than any other indian language..

Even if it is a language, it should not be studied for compulsory reason.
We have got the freedom. right?

]]> By: Sujay Rao Mandavillihttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-4/#comment-54 Sujay Rao Mandavilli Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:53:44 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-54 change the three language formula ..have the language of the state, English and any other Indian language compulsary (which the student can choose) change the three language formula ..have the language of the state, English and any other Indian language compulsary (which the student can choose)

]]> By: smartpandianhttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-4/#comment-56 smartpandian Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:29:17 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-56 Thanks for having a discussion. I understand your argument, we were looking India in different dimension. :) Also, I am not prejudiced against Hindi. I see Hindi as just another language. Soon, I would give a try writing in Hindi here.. :) Thanks for having a discussion. I understand your argument, we were looking India in different dimension. :)
Also, I am not prejudiced against Hindi. I see Hindi as just another language. Soon, I would give a try writing in Hindi here.. :)

]]> By: Karthikhttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-4/#comment-57 Karthik Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:22:16 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-57 I can counter your poor illiterate argument... lets say a bihari migrates to tamil nadu for road labour and is convicted for a crime... will proceedings in tamil/english be fair from his perspective? - that problem exists in current system - hence argument rejected :) majority of current americans are not native americans, while majority of indians are native indians... hence invalid argument in that respect. the ideology of indian secularism is all wonderful, but it is the most abused - accepted telugu-french example - i think it is irrelevant. i dont get the 'or indian' , 'or man' funda... my contention (if i havent been clear earlier) is that the office proceedings need not follow the national language at all(i remember saying language shouldn't be forced, language should remain a matter of individual choice). I dont give a damn if hindi is accepted as the national language or not.. i 'know' that hindi is the national language and no other 'indian' language comes close to its status. that's just me. but dont you think you are being heavily prejudiced against hindi? i can understand that the mentality of certain people who propagate hindi is wrong(like the Dhulekar person), but given a scenario without such elements, dont you think hindi deserves more than any other language to enjoy the status of national language? anyway this thread has grown over 15 reps... and anything more will only mean heavy transgression... so for this topic i will seal arguments from my side. (damn its been a long time i argued over nothing :) I can counter your poor illiterate argument… lets say a bihari migrates to tamil nadu for road labour and is convicted for a crime… will proceedings in tamil/english be fair from his perspective? – that problem exists in current system – hence argument rejected :)
majority of current americans are not native americans, while majority of indians are native indians… hence invalid argument in that respect.
the ideology of indian secularism is all wonderful, but it is the most abused – accepted
telugu-french example – i think it is irrelevant.
i dont get the ‘or indian’ , ‘or man’ funda…
my contention (if i havent been clear earlier) is that the office proceedings need not follow the national language at all(i remember saying language shouldn’t be forced, language should remain a matter of individual choice). I dont give a damn if hindi is accepted as the national language or not.. i ‘know’ that hindi is the national language and no other ‘indian’ language comes close to its status. that’s just me. but dont you think you are being heavily prejudiced against hindi? i can understand that the mentality of certain people who propagate hindi is wrong(like the Dhulekar person), but given a scenario without such elements, dont you think hindi deserves more than any other language to enjoy the status of national language?
anyway this thread has grown over 15 reps… and anything more will only mean heavy transgression… so for this topic i will seal arguments from my side. (damn its been a long time i argued over nothing :)

]]> By: smartpandianhttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-3/#comment-58 smartpandian Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:08:49 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-58 Karthik.. Zero Bearing in Every day life.. what do you mean? Suppose, for example, an illiterate from Tamilnadu gets convicted for a crime. He was produced in Tamilnadu Court. Imagine, In court, The judge and advocate were speaking in Hindi/English. He doesnt understand single word spoken in the court. Not only Him, Entire land finds it alienated and this would hinder all development activities. Laws of Government should be in the language of People and it should not be in the Foreign Language, though it's a neighbouring language. Just Imagine, How a common man in Arunachal Pradesh or Kerala would feel, if a guy from Hindi says..."How can you be a Indian without knowing Hindi?". This is not a trivial matter. Once, UP CM sends a letter to Kerala CM in Hindi. The Kerala CM replied to the letter in Malayalam. That explains unity in Diversity.. :) ..This is not a fight, this is a self respect. About English, It happens only in India, ha ha ha.... Do you think English is a native language of America?.. America has lost its heritage because of its attitude towards secularism. Also, Indian Secularism is different from French Secularism. Indian Christians were different from American Christians (remember DaVinci Code).In India, There is a fight for Ramar Bridge that was built before 17,00,000 years before. You cant expect that in America. India respects the sentiments of People(Secular). In America, People's sentiments were made fun(that's also Secularism). Indian Curreny Fall & Globalisation, during 1990s, has lead to a belief among common person in India that English & other foreign languages were superior than Indian Languages. You know what, Telugu has got more native speakers than French. But we find it great to learn French than Telugu. This shows how a common man give respect to individual Indian Languages of India than a foreign language. Difference I see between Europe and India is that, Europe was divided by language. India stays united inspite of difference in language. Understand the difference, accept the difference, there you can find unity..thats India. (or Indian..) (Or Man) What do you say about these? Karthik..

Zero Bearing in Every day life.. what do you mean?
Suppose, for example, an illiterate from Tamilnadu gets convicted for a crime. He was produced in Tamilnadu Court. Imagine, In court, The judge and advocate were speaking in Hindi/English. He doesnt understand single word spoken in the court. Not only Him, Entire land finds it alienated and this would hinder all development activities.

Laws of Government should be in the language of People and it should not be in the Foreign Language, though it’s a neighbouring language.

Just Imagine, How a common man in Arunachal Pradesh or Kerala would feel, if a guy from Hindi says…”How can you be a Indian without knowing Hindi?”.

This is not a trivial matter. Once, UP CM sends a letter to Kerala CM in Hindi. The Kerala CM replied to the letter in Malayalam. That explains unity in Diversity.. :) ..This is not a fight, this is a self respect.

About English, It happens only in India, ha ha ha….
Do you think English is a native language of America?..

America has lost its heritage because of its attitude towards secularism. Also, Indian Secularism is different from French Secularism.

Indian Christians were different from American Christians (remember DaVinci Code).In India, There is a fight for Ramar Bridge that was built before 17,00,000 years before. You cant expect that in America. India respects the sentiments of People(Secular). In America, People’s sentiments were made fun(that’s also Secularism).

Indian Curreny Fall & Globalisation, during 1990s, has lead to a belief among common person in India that English & other foreign languages were superior than Indian Languages.

You know what, Telugu has got more native speakers than French. But we find it great to learn French than Telugu. This shows how a common man give respect to individual Indian Languages of India than a foreign language.

Difference I see between Europe and India is that, Europe was divided by language. India stays united inspite of difference in language.
Understand the difference, accept the difference, there you can find unity..thats India. (or Indian..) (Or Man)

What do you say about these?

]]> By: Karthikhttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-3/#comment-59 Karthik Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:26:47 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-59 Hey.. where did you get the idea that making hindi the national lang would make it superior.. these are just symbols... nobody needs to force anybody to learn hindi.. (it should infact remain a matter of choice)the fact that consensus cannot be arrived even in this trivial matter which has zero bearing on the every day lives of individuals is pathetic... and more so the fact that people are ready to accept english - a completely foreign language instead of the local lang is even more.. it happens only in india america is not a secular country acc to their constitution... they are a christian nation... but more secular than perhaps even india... they just look at it as a symbol and not as one used to start a battle of superiority or a controversy.. besides dont put the 'according to constitution' crap.. it means nothing to the common man... it is used by the politicians to wile away their time Hey.. where did you get the idea that making hindi the national lang would make it superior.. these are just symbols… nobody needs to force anybody to learn hindi.. (it should infact remain a matter of choice)the fact that consensus cannot be arrived even in this trivial matter which has zero bearing on the every day lives of individuals is pathetic…
and more so the fact that people are ready to accept english – a completely foreign language instead of the local lang is even more.. it happens only in india
america is not a secular country acc to their constitution… they are a christian nation… but more secular than perhaps even india… they just look at it as a symbol and not as one used to start a battle of superiority or a controversy..
besides dont put the ‘according to constitution’ crap.. it means nothing to the common man… it is used by the politicians to wile away their time

]]> By: smartpandianhttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-3/#comment-60 smartpandian Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:04:40 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-60 Karthik, Sometimes, I too think wikipedia as evil.. But it's usefulness can't be denied. See now, its a place where we can find neutral data(more than 75%) instead of websites with Extremistic ideas. Coming to one more thing, As per Indian Constituency, India does not have a national language. Kashmir & Arunachal pradesh were India's territories. I accept that Kashmir and Hindi has virtual implications in the country. Karthik, Language is not just political, there is also a truth behind it. Learning Hindi is not wrong. But Making Hindi superior is wrong. Stay Neutral and read the following. Then tell me, do you still believe that Hindi as national Language? C.N. Annadurai has made this statement in 1965.. "It is claimed that Hindi should be common language because it is spoken by the majority. Why should we then claim the tiger as our national animal instead of the rat which is so much more numerous? Or the peacock as our national bird when the crow is ubiquitous?" From ..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi_agitations Plus, Making Hindi National Language creates an Economic Discrimination. Four Hindi speaking states enjoy the luxury in Government offices by their fluency in the language. from the Anonymous(must read) comments on. http://dlc22.blogspot.com/2005/01/rashtrabhasha.html#comment-113276411607685375 A Statement made by a Dhulekar (Hindusthani)(1965) was that, "People who do not know Hindustani have no right to stay in India." which obviously means, south India, is not part of India. :) I personally believe, Tamil Nadu was still living calm and peace with India, because India respects all languages. Else, Either Tamil Nadu would be a seperate country or India would become unstable terror millitary state, like, Srilanka, where Tamil Eelam fights against Srilankan government for a separate country still continues. Karthik,
Sometimes, I too think wikipedia as evil.. But it’s usefulness can’t be denied. See now, its a place where we can find neutral data(more than 75%) instead of websites with Extremistic ideas.

Coming to one more thing, As per Indian Constituency, India does not have a national language. Kashmir & Arunachal pradesh were India’s territories.
I accept that Kashmir and Hindi has virtual implications in the country.

Karthik, Language is not just political, there is also a truth behind it.
Learning Hindi is not wrong. But Making Hindi superior is wrong.
Stay Neutral and read the following. Then tell me, do you still believe that Hindi as national Language?

C.N. Annadurai has made this statement in 1965..
“It is claimed that Hindi should be common language because it is spoken by the majority. Why should we then claim the tiger as our national animal instead of the rat which is so much more numerous? Or the peacock as our national bird when the crow is ubiquitous?”
From ..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Hindi_agitations

Plus, Making Hindi National Language creates an Economic Discrimination.
Four Hindi speaking states enjoy the luxury in Government offices by their fluency in the language.
from the Anonymous(must read) comments on.
http://dlc22.blogspot.com/2005/01/rashtrabhasha.html#comment-113276411607685375

A Statement made by a Dhulekar (Hindusthani)(1965) was that,
“People who do not know Hindustani have no right to stay in India.”
which obviously means, south India, is not part of India. :)

I personally believe, Tamil Nadu was still living calm and peace with India, because India respects all languages. Else, Either Tamil Nadu would be a seperate country or India would become unstable terror millitary state, like, Srilanka, where Tamil Eelam fights against Srilankan government for a separate country still continues.

]]> By: Karthikhttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-3/#comment-61 Karthik Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:02:28 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-61 it doesnt really matter to me whether hindi is the nat lang or not, it is just that people put too much weight into wikipedia that irritates me, people start treating it like some holy gospel, which could be true or may be otherwise, but you never know... dont uplift the status of it to something like that... one more thing, do u think kashmir is a part of india, it has never been with us ever since '48, but that doesn't stop people from including it in the indian map. common sense tells that it is not ours as we draw it, but that doesnt stop us from including it.... hindi is just like that, people for all sort of reasons (primarily political) will never come to accept hindi as the national lang... they will make up all this crap abt official lang.... but that does not make it not our nat. lang. it doesnt really matter to me whether hindi is the nat lang or not, it is just that people put too much weight into wikipedia that irritates me, people start treating it like some holy gospel, which could be true or may be otherwise, but you never know… dont uplift the status of it to something like that…

one more thing, do u think kashmir is a part of india, it has never been with us ever since ’48, but that doesn’t stop people from including it in the indian map. common sense tells that it is not ours as we draw it, but that doesnt stop us from including it…. hindi is just like that, people for all sort of reasons (primarily political) will never come to accept hindi as the national lang… they will make up all this crap abt official lang…. but that does not make it not our nat. lang.

]]> By: smartpandianhttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-3/#comment-63 smartpandian Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:32:03 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-63 Karthi .. Come on... I am telling Sach.. Just Check it out anywhere... Believe me, I was under this conspiracy for last 22 years. and You too...:) Everything in Wikipedia is not fake. More than 80% of the article in wikipedia were made with reference to other books and materials (refer the lower section in wikipedia article). Also, Talk page of wikipedia is the place where wikipedians would be fighting for what they claim. Karthi ..
Come on… I am telling Sach.. Just Check it out anywhere…
Believe me, I was under this conspiracy for last 22 years. and You too…:)

Everything in Wikipedia is not fake. More than 80% of the article in wikipedia were made with reference to other books and materials (refer the lower section in wikipedia article). Also, Talk page of wikipedia is the place where wikipedians would be fighting for what they claim.

]]> By: Karthikhttp://smartpandian.com/national-language/comment-page-2/#comment-62 Karthik Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:14:23 +0000 http://smartpandian.awardspace.com/?p=57#comment-62 Not everything in wikipedia is authentic as you believe it to be. I think you maybe wrong in claiming that hindi is not the national language(it is referred to as raashtrabhaasha which means national lang.) Not everything in wikipedia is authentic as you believe it to be. I think you maybe wrong in claiming that hindi is not the national language(it is referred to as raashtrabhaasha which means national lang.)

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